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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:02:18
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From: Akiko Nakata <a-nakata@courante.plala.or.jp>
Dear
Jansy and List,
Thank you, Jansy, for raising such a grave
issue that could be comparable
to the one concerning the reality/fiction
of *Lolita* II. 27 (or II. 22) to
the end.
If HP does not
strangle Armande and nearly a half of the work (except Chs.
4-19) is his
or someone else's dreams, the meaning of the novella must be
completely
different. So far, I simply believe HP unintentionally but
actually kills
Armande and at the end he is experiencing the pangs necessary
to go into
the world after death so that the end of the last chapter leads
to the
beginning of the first chapter. If HP should be awakening from his
last
nightmare (or someone else's dream) into the "real" world, I could
not
understand the first chapter as well as the structure of the novella.
I
think TT is full of fragmental memories and dreams, about most of which
we
are not certain who remembers or dreams, but all are not
dreams.
On the other hand, I have some questions still unanswered and
your
interpretation would solve some of them. For example, the
unreasonable facts
about HP's imprisonment and treatment in a mental
hospital about which Mr.
R. asks in his last letter. And if all is his
dreams, that parallels "the
supposition that 'reality' might be only a
'dream'" (Ch. 24), i. e., the
mysterious chapter could be the clue to the
whole TT.
And I would like to ask--
>4. While still a
student, Hugh would already have been suffering from a
jealous rage, such
as Napoleon´s might have been because..
did not Bonaparte´s second
wife Marie Louise betray him and bear two
children from Count
Neipperg? ( please correct me, Historians!)
Who was Hugh jealous
about then?
Would HP suffer from a jealous rage before he met
Armande? As far as we
know, his nightmares are erotic and sadistic, but
could not be called
"jealous" even after he marries Armande -- of course,
you could interpret
them (as an expert!) as his suppressed raging
jealousy. And in Ch. 7, I
think the spirit of Napoleon gets furious
because he remembers enduring
humiliation in St. Helena. I might be too
short-sighted.
If we include in the Moore discussion Brian Boyd's
recently published
article "*ADA*, the Bog and the Garden," (NS #8) it
would be more
complicated. Is "Moore" also connected with "peat bog,"
Brian? (I am sorry
if I missed something when I read the
article).
Best,
Akiko
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From: Jansy Berndt de Souza Mello
To: Vladimir
Nabokov Forum
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 3:03 AM
Subject: B.Boyd´s "Nabokov´s ADA" /Morio and Moore
Dear
Akiko and List,
B. Boyd writes in his introduction to
"Nabokov´s Ada - The Place of
Consciousness" ( I only managed to secure a
copy of it today!):
"After working out the reason for the
sudden appearance of horse and groom
(...) we would next seek to explain
the names Van has given his invented
horse and groom". ( Moiro/
Moore).
"There is a simple, immediately-offered solution for
the Morio-Moore sound
play (...) your Moore is in fact an anagram of
Romeo, and with this
Shakespearean hint black Morio points towards
Othello, the blackamoor Iago
calls " a Barbary horse" (...)
Van (...) leaves the young Romeo behind and charges off on a black
steed
reminiscent of Othello: "Ardis the First" is comparable in
freshness and
lyric radiance of its young love only to Romeo and Juliet,
while the
chapters between "Ardis the First" and "Ardis the Second"
(...) are marked
by the ever-deepening shadow of potentially violent
jealousy..."
After all our conjectures about Borromeo/Moore in
TT, I thought it worth
to bring up (again?) B.Boyd´s observations
about this "Moore" in Ada as
illustrating a transition from
"romantic love" to " violent jealousy"
created by VN.
Is it
possible to trace a similar kind of pattern in TT?
The first
mention to a Moore seems to be on Ch. 7:
" As a penultimate echo
came the strange case of his struggle with a
bedside table. This
was when Hugh attended college and lodged with a fellow
student, Jack
Moore ( no relation), in two rooms of the newly built Snyder
Hall"
(...)
when he " was executing a furious war dance all
by itself, as he had
seen a similar article do at a séance when asked if
the visiting spirit (
Napoleon) missed the springtime sunsets of St.
Helena".
1. Jack Moore has "no relation" to any of the various
Swiss Jacks, to
sculptor Henry Moore, to Julia Moore.
2.
Jack rescues Hugh from his "penultimate" instance ( or more precisely,
"
penultimate echo") of somnambulism.
3.The "ultimate" episode
would be the one in which Hugh strangled Armande
while still dreaming
that he was rescuing her from dropping from a NY
balcony while Hugh´s
veggie nightmares and his dream with air hostess
Armande ( that anexed
the external fire as part of the dream), before he
could reach the
" mysterious mental maneuver to pass from one state of being
to another",
represented not another somnambulic attack in a "person and the
shadows
of related matter" on the brink of a "new being" but maintained
the
transparent quality of dream and awakening.
4. While
still a student, Hugh would already have been suffering from a
jealous
rage, such as Napoleon´s might have been because..
did not
Bonaparte´s second wife Marie Louise betray him and bear two
children
from Count Neipperg? ( please correct me, Historians!)
Who
was Hugh jealous about then?
5. If the circumstances of Hugh´s
death were taken as a kind of
somnambulic attack , then this would mean
that he could not have strangled
Armande in the first place - as all the
elements in the novel ( plus our
good-sense ) indicate. And yet, the
mixture between reality and dream ( for
Hugh and in the eyes of the
reader as well) seem to be present in all these
episodes.
Sorry to return to the same issues we´ve been discussing but I still
feel
in the clasp of someone else´s dream.
Jansy
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Dear Jansy and List,
Thank you, Jansy, for raising such a grave issue that
could be comparable to the one concerning the reality/fiction
of *Lolita* II. 27 (or II. 22) to the end.
If HP does not strangle Armande and nearly a half
of the work (except Chs. 4-19) is his or someone else's dreams, the
meaning of the novella must be completely different. So far,
I simply believe HP unintentionally but
actually kills Armande and at the end he is experiencing
the pangs necessary to go into the world after death so that the
end of the last chapter leads to the beginning of the first chapter. If
HP should be awakening from his last nightmare (or
someone else's dream) into the "real" world, I could not understand
the first chapter as well as the structure of the novella. I think
TT is full of fragmental memories and dreams, about most of which we are not
certain who remembers or dreams, but all are not
dreams.
On the other hand, I have some questions still unanswered and your
interpretation would solve some of them. For example,
the unreasonable facts about HP's imprisonment and treatment in a
mental hospital about which Mr. R. asks in his last letter.
And if all is his dreams, that parallels "the
supposition that 'reality' might be only a 'dream'" (Ch. 24), i.
e., the mysterious chapter could be the clue to the whole TT.
And I would like to ask--
>4. While still a student, Hugh would already have
been suffering from a jealous rage, such as Napoleon´s might have
been because..
did not
Bonaparte´s second wife Marie Louise betray him and bear two
children from Count Neipperg? ( please correct me,
Historians!)
Who was Hugh jealous about
then?
Would HP suffer from a jealous rage before he met Armande? As
far as we know, his nightmares are erotic and sadistic, but could not be
called "jealous" even after he marries Armande -- of course, you could
interpret them (as an expert!) as his suppressed raging jealousy.
And in Ch. 7, I think the spirit of
Napoleon gets furious because he remembers enduring
humiliation in St. Helena. I might be too short-sighted.
If we include in the Moore discussion Brian
Boyd's recently published article "*ADA*, the Bog and the Garden,"
(NS #8) it would be more complicated. Is "Moore" also connected
with "peat bog," Brian? (I am sorry if I missed something when I read
the article).
Best,
Akiko
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 3:03 AM
Subject: B.Boyd´s "Nabokov´s ADA" /Morio and Moore
Dear Akiko and List,
B. Boyd writes in his introduction to
"Nabokov´s Ada - The Place of Consciousness" ( I only managed to secure a
copy of it today!):
"After working out the reason for the sudden
appearance of horse and groom (...) we would next seek to explain the
names Van has given his invented horse and groom". (
Moiro/ Moore).
"There is a simple, immediately-offered
solution for the Morio-Moore sound play (...) your Moore is in fact an
anagram of Romeo, and with this Shakespearean hint black Morio points
towards Othello, the blackamoor Iago calls " a Barbary horse" (...)
Van (...) leaves the young Romeo behind and
charges off on a black steed reminiscent of Othello: "Ardis the
First" is comparable in freshness and lyric radiance of its young love
only to Romeo and Juliet, while the chapters between "Ardis the First" and
"Ardis the Second" (...) are marked
by the ever-deepening shadow of potentially violent jealousy..."
After all our conjectures about
Borromeo/Moore in TT, I thought it worth to bring up (again?)
B.Boyd´s observations about this "Moore" in Ada as
illustrating a transition from "romantic love" to " violent jealousy"
created by VN.
Is it possible to trace a similar kind
of pattern in TT?
The first mention to a Moore seems to be on
Ch. 7:
" As a penultimate echo came the strange case of his struggle with a bedside
table. This was when Hugh attended college and lodged with a fellow
student, Jack Moore ( no relation), in two rooms of the newly built
Snyder Hall" (...)
when he " was executing a furious war
dance all by itself, as he had seen a similar article do at a séance when
asked if the visiting spirit ( Napoleon) missed the springtime sunsets of
St. Helena".
1. Jack Moore has "no relation" to any of the
various Swiss Jacks, to sculptor Henry Moore, to Julia Moore.
2. Jack rescues Hugh from his
"penultimate" instance ( or more precisely, " penultimate echo") of
somnambulism.
3.The "ultimate" episode would be the
one in which Hugh strangled Armande while still dreaming that he was
rescuing her from dropping from a NY balcony while Hugh´s veggie nightmares and his dream with air
hostess Armande ( that anexed the external fire as part of the
dream), before he could reach the " mysterious mental maneuver
to pass from one state of being to another", represented not another
somnambulic attack in a "person and the shadows of related matter" on
the brink of a "new being" but maintained the
transparent quality of dream and awakening.
4. While still a student, Hugh would already
have been suffering from a jealous rage, such as Napoleon´s
might have been because..
did not Bonaparte´s second wife Marie Louise
betray him and bear two children from Count Neipperg? ( please
correct me, Historians!)
Who was
Hugh jealous about then?
5. If the circumstances of Hugh´s death
were taken as a kind of somnambulic attack , then this would
mean that he could not have strangled Armande in the first place - as
all the elements in the novel ( plus our good-sense )
indicate. And yet, the mixture between reality and dream ( for
Hugh and in the eyes of the reader as well) seem to be present in
all these episodes.
Sorry to return to the same issues we´ve been
discussing but I still feel in the clasp of someone else´s
dream.
Jansy