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A. Sklyarenko: [...]Ida is a female given name; cf. Ida Lariviere, Lucette's governess who publishes stories and novels under the penname Monparnass;* Ida is also a story by Bunin, 1925, set in a restaurant; its hero, a composer, recounts an amorous episode from his past, getting happily drunk in the process;** i is Russian for "and;" voda means "water" ) [...]I wonder if VN knew any Idas? May be the actress and dancer Ida Rubinstein (1885-1960), whose portrait, "in the costume of Eve," was made by Serov and who died in Vence? IDA + ZINA (cf. Zina Merts, the heroine of "The Gift") = ZINAIDA (cf. Zinaida Hippius, 1869-1945, Russian poet, novelist, critic*** and memoirist)
JM: After your posting about Fartukov, I was reminded of the variations the List proposed in the past ( associated to "fart", Lucette as "my pet" and her remark "il pue"). Your question about "Ida" has also received serveral mentions at the list ( related to Greek Mythology, and the Parnassian literary movement). The link bt Ida and Montparnass are a proof of VN's familiarity with Greek myths. "La Riviere des Diamants", the diamond necklace in G. de Maupassant's novel might also be related to the Castalia fountain , Pegasus and Medusa.
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Parnassianism was a literary style characteristic of certain French poetry during the positivist period of the 19th century, occurring between romanticism and symbolism. The name is derived from the original Parnassian poets' journal, Le Parnasse contemporain, itself named after Mount Parnassus, home of the Muses in Greek mythology. The anthology was issued between 1866 to 1876, including poems by Charles Leconte de Lisle, Theodore de Banville, Sully-Prudhomme, Stephane Mallarme, Paul Verlaine, Francois Coppee and Jose Maria de Heredia. The Parnassians were influenced by Theophile Gautier and his doctrine of art for art's sake. In reaction to the looser forms of romantic poetry, and what they saw as excessive sentimentality and undue social and political activism in Romantic works, the Parnassians strove for exact and faultless workmanship, selecting exotic and classical subjects which they treated with rigidity of form and emotional detachment.
IDA: Two sacred mountains are called Mount Ida in Greek mythology, equally named "Mount of the Goddess." Both are associated with the Mother Goddess in the deepest layers of pre-Greek myth: Mount Ida, Crete, and Mount Ida, Turkey, known as Phrygian Ida in Classical times. Mount Ida in Phrygia is sacred to another aspect of the Great Goddess as Cybele, the Mother Goddess, who is often called Mater Idae ('The Idean Mother").
Etymology :The name Ida is associated with the Goddess, De, which also appears in Demeter, the "goddess-mother," (De + meter). The "De" is an
Attic-Ionic dialect form of the older Da, "a female deity whose succor and assistance were evoked in archaic formulas by use of this syllable". The modern Turkish name for Mount Ida, Turkey, Kaz Dagi (pronounced /k?z d???/) has a coincidental connection with the goddess' syllable; dag is the element that translates as "mountain," and all other mountains and mountain ranges in Turkey include dag in their names.
Mount Parnassus is a mountain of barren limestone in central Greece that towers above Delphi[...] According to Greek mythology, this mountain was sacred to Apollo, the Corycian nymphs, and the home of the Muses. The mountain was also favored by the Dorians. The name Parnassos seems etymologically related to the Anatolian languages that made use of *-ssos in placenames (eg. Knossos). *Parna- derived from the same root as the word in Luwian meaning House. Mythology: Mount Parnassus is named after Parnassos, the son of the nymph Kleodora and the man Kleopompus. There was a city of which Parnassos was leader, which was flooded by torrential rain. The citizens ran from the flood, following wolves' howling, up the mountain slope. There the survivors built another city, and called it Lykoreia, which in Greek means "the howling of the wolves." While Orpheus was living with his mother and his eight beautiful aunts on Parnassus, he met Apollo who was courting the laughing muse Thalia. Apollo became fond of Orpheus and gave him a little golden lyre, and taught him to play it. Orpheus's mother taught him to make verses for singing. As the Oracle of Delphi was sacred to the god Apollo, so did the mountain itself become associated with Apollo. According to some traditions, Parnassus was the site of the fountain Castalia and the home of the Muses; according to other traditions, that honor fell to Mount Helicon, another mountain in the same range. As the home of the Muses, Parnassus became known as the home of poetry, music, and learning.Parnassus was also the site of several unrelated minor events in Greek mythology.In some versions of the Greek flood myth, the ark of Deucalion comes to rest on the slopes of Parnassus. Orestes spent his time in hiding on Mount Parnassus. Parnassus was sacred to the god Dionysus. The Corycian Cave, located on the slopes of Parnassus, was sacred to Pan and to the Muses. Parnassus was also the home of Pegasus the winged horse of Bellerophon. The name "Parnassus" in literature typically refers to its distinction as the home of poetry, literature, and learning.
J.Friedman to Jansy Mello: I was struck by your mention of Moebius strips and your thoughts on "manifold" in the same post, since in math, a Moebius strip is an example of a "manifold". (If you make it out of ideal paper, anyway.)
JM: The connection bt.the Moebius strip and the word "manifold" was indirect and mathematically innocent. Thanks for the information. There's probably even a rock band with that name. It was a favorite model for Dutch engraver, Escher, by the visual equivocation it allows concerning the representation of inside/outside, up/down,etc. There is a short-story by Julio Cortazar with this title. Pop culture teems with Moebius strips.
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JM: After your posting about Fartukov, I was reminded of the variations the List proposed in the past ( associated to "fart", Lucette as "my pet" and her remark "il pue"). Your question about "Ida" has also received serveral mentions at the list ( related to Greek Mythology, and the Parnassian literary movement). The link bt Ida and Montparnass are a proof of VN's familiarity with Greek myths. "La Riviere des Diamants", the diamond necklace in G. de Maupassant's novel might also be related to the Castalia fountain , Pegasus and Medusa.
Extracts from Wikipedia:
Parnassianism was a literary style characteristic of certain French poetry during the positivist period of the 19th century, occurring between romanticism and symbolism. The name is derived from the original Parnassian poets' journal, Le Parnasse contemporain, itself named after Mount Parnassus, home of the Muses in Greek mythology. The anthology was issued between 1866 to 1876, including poems by Charles Leconte de Lisle, Theodore de Banville, Sully-Prudhomme, Stephane Mallarme, Paul Verlaine, Francois Coppee and Jose Maria de Heredia. The Parnassians were influenced by Theophile Gautier and his doctrine of art for art's sake. In reaction to the looser forms of romantic poetry, and what they saw as excessive sentimentality and undue social and political activism in Romantic works, the Parnassians strove for exact and faultless workmanship, selecting exotic and classical subjects which they treated with rigidity of form and emotional detachment.
IDA: Two sacred mountains are called Mount Ida in Greek mythology, equally named "Mount of the Goddess." Both are associated with the Mother Goddess in the deepest layers of pre-Greek myth: Mount Ida, Crete, and Mount Ida, Turkey, known as Phrygian Ida in Classical times. Mount Ida in Phrygia is sacred to another aspect of the Great Goddess as Cybele, the Mother Goddess, who is often called Mater Idae ('The Idean Mother").
Etymology :The name Ida is associated with the Goddess, De, which also appears in Demeter, the "goddess-mother," (De + meter). The "De" is an
Attic-Ionic dialect form of the older Da, "a female deity whose succor and assistance were evoked in archaic formulas by use of this syllable". The modern Turkish name for Mount Ida, Turkey, Kaz Dagi (pronounced /k?z d???/) has a coincidental connection with the goddess' syllable; dag is the element that translates as "mountain," and all other mountains and mountain ranges in Turkey include dag in their names.
Mount Parnassus is a mountain of barren limestone in central Greece that towers above Delphi[...] According to Greek mythology, this mountain was sacred to Apollo, the Corycian nymphs, and the home of the Muses. The mountain was also favored by the Dorians. The name Parnassos seems etymologically related to the Anatolian languages that made use of *-ssos in placenames (eg. Knossos). *Parna- derived from the same root as the word in Luwian meaning House. Mythology: Mount Parnassus is named after Parnassos, the son of the nymph Kleodora and the man Kleopompus. There was a city of which Parnassos was leader, which was flooded by torrential rain. The citizens ran from the flood, following wolves' howling, up the mountain slope. There the survivors built another city, and called it Lykoreia, which in Greek means "the howling of the wolves." While Orpheus was living with his mother and his eight beautiful aunts on Parnassus, he met Apollo who was courting the laughing muse Thalia. Apollo became fond of Orpheus and gave him a little golden lyre, and taught him to play it. Orpheus's mother taught him to make verses for singing. As the Oracle of Delphi was sacred to the god Apollo, so did the mountain itself become associated with Apollo. According to some traditions, Parnassus was the site of the fountain Castalia and the home of the Muses; according to other traditions, that honor fell to Mount Helicon, another mountain in the same range. As the home of the Muses, Parnassus became known as the home of poetry, music, and learning.Parnassus was also the site of several unrelated minor events in Greek mythology.In some versions of the Greek flood myth, the ark of Deucalion comes to rest on the slopes of Parnassus. Orestes spent his time in hiding on Mount Parnassus. Parnassus was sacred to the god Dionysus. The Corycian Cave, located on the slopes of Parnassus, was sacred to Pan and to the Muses. Parnassus was also the home of Pegasus the winged horse of Bellerophon. The name "Parnassus" in literature typically refers to its distinction as the home of poetry, literature, and learning.
J.Friedman to Jansy Mello: I was struck by your mention of Moebius strips and your thoughts on "manifold" in the same post, since in math, a Moebius strip is an example of a "manifold". (If you make it out of ideal paper, anyway.)
JM: The connection bt.the Moebius strip and the word "manifold" was indirect and mathematically innocent. Thanks for the information. There's probably even a rock band with that name. It was a favorite model for Dutch engraver, Escher, by the visual equivocation it allows concerning the representation of inside/outside, up/down,etc. There is a short-story by Julio Cortazar with this title. Pop culture teems with Moebius strips.
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