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> pynchon-l-digest Tuesday, July 15 2003 Volume 02 : Number
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> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:55
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>
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> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:00:03 +1000
> From: jbor <jbor@bigpond.com>
> Subject: Re: VLVL2 (1) "More Is Less"=?ISO-8859-1?B?oA==?=
>
> on 15/7/03 1:42 PM, Dave Monroe at monrovius@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > Ah, but we're talking Vineland here ...
>
> Where the phrase is used as the punning name of a "discount store for
> larger-sized women" (4.15).
>
> best
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 23:06:05 -0500
> From: "Tim Strzechowski" <dedalus204@comcast.net>
> Subject: VLVL2 and NPPF: Missed Communication
>
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> 3.4 - 3.8 "In his dream ..." Zoyd's dream of carrier pigeons is =
> essentially a dream of missed communication, an opportunity to receive a =
> message (rescue?), but an inability to get to them. Throughout the =
> novel, watch for additional hidden signals and "missed communications," =
> a recurring motif in this work (and other Pynchon novels).
>
>
> Now in rereading, I notice quite a few examples of missed communication =
> in the chapter, ranging from the note left for Zoyd from Prairie, to the =
> telephone call he receives regarding his "rescheduled" window jumping =
> performance. Of course, the "You'll see" conversation with Slide, the =
> Log Jam onlookers' perception that Zoyd's name is "CHERYL," the Log =
> Jam/Cuke Lounge mishap, the "Blind-Side Gazette," the candy sheet window =
> incident -- all contribute to the overall sense of missing the true =
> meaning of the reality at hand.
>
> Do Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune add to this motif? How?
>
> How does the motif of "missed communications" (or miscommunication) =
> function in Chapter One of Vineland in a variety of ways? Is there a =
> pattern to the examples? =20
> =20
> In what ways is this a common motif in the works of Pynchon? =20
> =20
> Does Pynchon seem to suggest that this is a personal human factor, or is =
> it a sign of something larger, more bureaucratic?
> =20
>
> from Pale Fire:
>
> "A few days later, however, namely on Monday, February 16, I was =
> introduced to the old poet at lunch time in the faculty club. [...] =
> 'Come, come,' said Professor Hurley, 'do you mean, John, you really =
> don't have a mental or visceral picture of that stunning blonde in the =
> black leotards who haunts Lit. 202?' Shade, all his wrinkles beaming, =
> benignly tapped Hurley on the wrist to make him stop. [...] and they all =
> laughed" (Vintage Edition, 21-2).
> =20
> How is "missed communication" a factor in Charles Kinbote's "Foreward" =
> to Pale Fire? Aside from the obvious misinterpretations of Shade's poem =
> (discussed in full in the Commentary sections), how does Kinbote's =
> "Foreward" utilize this motif to establish the characterization of =
> Kinbote?=20
>
> Does "missed communication" help in the characterization of Shade?
>
>
>
> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:56:02 +1000
> From: jbor <jbor@bigpond.com>
> Subject: Re: NPPF Foreword: "the composition he saw in a glass, darkly"
>
> The second citation from the newspaper interview with Professor Hurley
which
> has so irked Kinbote:
>
> "None can say how long John Shade planned his poem to be, but it is
not
> improbable that what he left represents only a small fraction of the
> composition he saw in a glass, darkly."
>
> on 15/7/03 12:55 AM, Jasper Fidget wrote:
>
> > An attack by K's opposition in regard to Shade's intention for "Pale
Fire",
> > that Prof H. uses the word "none" must be particularly grating to K.,
given
> > his tenuous hold on being a real person. Also note another glass
reference,
> > and this time obscured, unknowable.
>
> Cf. also:
>
> 1 Corinthians 13
>
> 1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not
> charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
>
> 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries,
and
> all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove
> mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
>
> 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my
> body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
>
> 4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity
vaunteth
> not itself, is not puffed up, 5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh
not
> her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; 6 Rejoiceth not in
> iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; 7 Beareth all things, believeth all
> things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
>
> 8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail;
> whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it
> shall vanish away.
>
> 9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is
> perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
>
> 11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I
> thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
>
> 12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I
know
> in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
>
> 13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of
> these is charity.
>
> http://www.darwincommunitychurch.com/1cor4.html
>
> best
>
>
>
> > ------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------
>
> > ------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------
>
> End of pynchon-l-digest V2 #3411
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From: "pynchon-l-digest" <owner-pynchon-l-digest@waste.org>
To: <pynchon-l-digest@waste.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 12:00 AM
Subject: pynchon-l-digest V2 #3411
>
> pynchon-l-digest Tuesday, July 15 2003 Volume 02 : Number
3411
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:55
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:00:03 +1000
> From: jbor <jbor@bigpond.com>
> Subject: Re: VLVL2 (1) "More Is Less"=?ISO-8859-1?B?oA==?=
>
> on 15/7/03 1:42 PM, Dave Monroe at monrovius@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > Ah, but we're talking Vineland here ...
>
> Where the phrase is used as the punning name of a "discount store for
> larger-sized women" (4.15).
>
> best
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 23:06:05 -0500
> From: "Tim Strzechowski" <dedalus204@comcast.net>
> Subject: VLVL2 and NPPF: Missed Communication
>
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>
> - ------=_NextPart_000_00AC_01C34A5C.80AD17E0
> Content-Type: text/plain;
> charset="iso-8859-1"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>
> 3.4 - 3.8 "In his dream ..." Zoyd's dream of carrier pigeons is =
> essentially a dream of missed communication, an opportunity to receive a =
> message (rescue?), but an inability to get to them. Throughout the =
> novel, watch for additional hidden signals and "missed communications," =
> a recurring motif in this work (and other Pynchon novels).
>
>
> Now in rereading, I notice quite a few examples of missed communication =
> in the chapter, ranging from the note left for Zoyd from Prairie, to the =
> telephone call he receives regarding his "rescheduled" window jumping =
> performance. Of course, the "You'll see" conversation with Slide, the =
> Log Jam onlookers' perception that Zoyd's name is "CHERYL," the Log =
> Jam/Cuke Lounge mishap, the "Blind-Side Gazette," the candy sheet window =
> incident -- all contribute to the overall sense of missing the true =
> meaning of the reality at hand.
>
> Do Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune add to this motif? How?
>
> How does the motif of "missed communications" (or miscommunication) =
> function in Chapter One of Vineland in a variety of ways? Is there a =
> pattern to the examples? =20
> =20
> In what ways is this a common motif in the works of Pynchon? =20
> =20
> Does Pynchon seem to suggest that this is a personal human factor, or is =
> it a sign of something larger, more bureaucratic?
> =20
>
> from Pale Fire:
>
> "A few days later, however, namely on Monday, February 16, I was =
> introduced to the old poet at lunch time in the faculty club. [...] =
> 'Come, come,' said Professor Hurley, 'do you mean, John, you really =
> don't have a mental or visceral picture of that stunning blonde in the =
> black leotards who haunts Lit. 202?' Shade, all his wrinkles beaming, =
> benignly tapped Hurley on the wrist to make him stop. [...] and they all =
> laughed" (Vintage Edition, 21-2).
> =20
> How is "missed communication" a factor in Charles Kinbote's "Foreward" =
> to Pale Fire? Aside from the obvious misinterpretations of Shade's poem =
> (discussed in full in the Commentary sections), how does Kinbote's =
> "Foreward" utilize this motif to establish the characterization of =
> Kinbote?=20
>
> Does "missed communication" help in the characterization of Shade?
>
>
>
> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:56:02 +1000
> From: jbor <jbor@bigpond.com>
> Subject: Re: NPPF Foreword: "the composition he saw in a glass, darkly"
>
> The second citation from the newspaper interview with Professor Hurley
which
> has so irked Kinbote:
>
> "None can say how long John Shade planned his poem to be, but it is
not
> improbable that what he left represents only a small fraction of the
> composition he saw in a glass, darkly."
>
> on 15/7/03 12:55 AM, Jasper Fidget wrote:
>
> > An attack by K's opposition in regard to Shade's intention for "Pale
Fire",
> > that Prof H. uses the word "none" must be particularly grating to K.,
given
> > his tenuous hold on being a real person. Also note another glass
reference,
> > and this time obscured, unknowable.
>
> Cf. also:
>
> 1 Corinthians 13
>
> 1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not
> charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
>
> 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries,
and
> all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove
> mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
>
> 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my
> body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
>
> 4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity
vaunteth
> not itself, is not puffed up, 5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh
not
> her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; 6 Rejoiceth not in
> iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; 7 Beareth all things, believeth all
> things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
>
> 8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail;
> whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it
> shall vanish away.
>
> 9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is
> perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
>
> 11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I
> thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
>
> 12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I
know
> in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
>
> 13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of
> these is charity.
>
> http://www.darwincommunitychurch.com/1cor4.html
>
> best
>
>
>
> > ------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------
>
> > ------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------
>
> End of pynchon-l-digest V2 #3411
> ********************************
.