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JM: Carolyn, just a reminder ( A.S's word-worlds are catchy): Duchess de Fyler and Countess Fleur taken together reveal ( VN doesn't "veil" that...) not only a "defilement" but a "deflowering".
Shade's experience suggests a different kind of defilement "... like some little lad forced by a wench/ With his pure tongue her abject thirst to quench,/ I was corrupted, terrified, allured.." I remember vaguely that you thought Aunt Maud was responsible for his defilement - somehow?
btw - CTaH wrote: "Prends garde a toi!" and I know you are familiar with operas (Bizet's "Carmen"), therefore ye must be aware of the double-entendre addressed to you, o brown-limbed Carmencita...
Although he dismissed my emphasis on "sans,sans" standing in lieu of "without" ( I cannot agree with his points in this matter) his French brings in a direct link to VN's Lolita. A few years back and... [hmmmm...Hey,Steve? Are you still in charge of adminstrating dowries ?]
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Stan K-B: I'm trying hard to recall where VN wrote "I've said all I have to say," to whom and about which topic. I expect many will rush to remind me.
Tom (Rymour): ...the authority on this would be DN. I seem to remember an account of father and son on a Swiss mountain one day, and VN telling his son that he had achieved his literary objectives.
A. Bouazza: "He told me then, in one of those rare moments when father and son discuss such matters, that he had accomplished what he wished in life and art, and was truly a happy man. His writing, he went on, was all there,
ready inside his mind, like film waiting to be developed." p. 129, Dmitri Nabokov, On Revisiting Father's Room, in Valdimir Nabokov: A Tribute, ed. Peter Quennell (London: Weidenfeld & Nicolson 1979).
S K-B ( to Andrea): It's rather a mixed blessing to find that Gardner and Nabokov did NOT engage in direct, extensive correspondence!Yet, yet: where does Valéry stand now compared with Nabokov in those impromptu league tables of "Celeb Immortality?""Le don de vivre a passé dans les fleurs" (Valéry's seaside-cemetry epitaph) [...]
S K-B (CTaH to Carolyn): I have sympathy over your overt rejection of "logic" (see your reply to my IF/THEN options) but remind you that behind the scenes, as it were, your brain continues to protect your life [..] But "logic" does peek through when you write "EITHER continuations OR re-writes of Jekyll and Hyde." Logicians need to distinguish inclusive from exclusive ORs (the 'wh' is silent). Furthermore, Shade himself resorts to syllogistic reasoning on several (in)famous occasions. Prends garde a toi!
S K-B (to Jansy) may I correct or maybe burnish what _might_ be a misunderstanding on your part: "Sans" was a normal, unexotic synonym for "without" in Shakespeare's time...For iambics, it's rather useful have mono-and bi-syllabic synonyms. "Sans" like many Elizabethan words, gradually wilted but never completely withered away! 18th century and later writers would use "sans" in what you might call a deliberately "archaic" manner much as we find "ye" and "gazooks."
The point is: not to endow Fitzgerald's or Kinbote's choice of "sans" with any special sprinkling of allusion-glitter.
C. Kunin: Thanks to CTaH's taking notice of the absence of Aunt M from the index, and my subsequent discovery that the Duchess de Fyler is also missing, I'd like to press the point a little forward[...] The Duchess de Fyler is missing from the index, but her daughter, Fleur, Countess de Fyler is not. Similarly Sybil is giving grudging acknowledgement there.
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Shade's experience suggests a different kind of defilement "... like some little lad forced by a wench/ With his pure tongue her abject thirst to quench,/ I was corrupted, terrified, allured.." I remember vaguely that you thought Aunt Maud was responsible for his defilement - somehow?
btw - CTaH wrote: "Prends garde a toi!" and I know you are familiar with operas (Bizet's "Carmen"), therefore ye must be aware of the double-entendre addressed to you, o brown-limbed Carmencita...
Although he dismissed my emphasis on "sans,sans" standing in lieu of "without" ( I cannot agree with his points in this matter) his French brings in a direct link to VN's Lolita. A few years back and... [hmmmm...Hey,Steve? Are you still in charge of adminstrating dowries ?]
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Stan K-B: I'm trying hard to recall where VN wrote "I've said all I have to say," to whom and about which topic. I expect many will rush to remind me.
Tom (Rymour): ...the authority on this would be DN. I seem to remember an account of father and son on a Swiss mountain one day, and VN telling his son that he had achieved his literary objectives.
A. Bouazza: "He told me then, in one of those rare moments when father and son discuss such matters, that he had accomplished what he wished in life and art, and was truly a happy man. His writing, he went on, was all there,
ready inside his mind, like film waiting to be developed." p. 129, Dmitri Nabokov, On Revisiting Father's Room, in Valdimir Nabokov: A Tribute, ed. Peter Quennell (London: Weidenfeld & Nicolson 1979).
S K-B ( to Andrea): It's rather a mixed blessing to find that Gardner and Nabokov did NOT engage in direct, extensive correspondence!Yet, yet: where does Valéry stand now compared with Nabokov in those impromptu league tables of "Celeb Immortality?""Le don de vivre a passé dans les fleurs" (Valéry's seaside-cemetry epitaph) [...]
S K-B (CTaH to Carolyn): I have sympathy over your overt rejection of "logic" (see your reply to my IF/THEN options) but remind you that behind the scenes, as it were, your brain continues to protect your life [..] But "logic" does peek through when you write "EITHER continuations OR re-writes of Jekyll and Hyde." Logicians need to distinguish inclusive from exclusive ORs (the 'wh' is silent). Furthermore, Shade himself resorts to syllogistic reasoning on several (in)famous occasions. Prends garde a toi!
S K-B (to Jansy) may I correct or maybe burnish what _might_ be a misunderstanding on your part: "Sans" was a normal, unexotic synonym for "without" in Shakespeare's time...For iambics, it's rather useful have mono-and bi-syllabic synonyms. "Sans" like many Elizabethan words, gradually wilted but never completely withered away! 18th century and later writers would use "sans" in what you might call a deliberately "archaic" manner much as we find "ye" and "gazooks."
The point is: not to endow Fitzgerald's or Kinbote's choice of "sans" with any special sprinkling of allusion-glitter.
C. Kunin: Thanks to CTaH's taking notice of the absence of Aunt M from the index, and my subsequent discovery that the Duchess de Fyler is also missing, I'd like to press the point a little forward[...] The Duchess de Fyler is missing from the index, but her daughter, Fleur, Countess de Fyler is not. Similarly Sybil is giving grudging acknowledgement there.
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