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If I can digress into botany, I think of the vine on Shade hall
as Virginia Creeper, /Parthenocissus quinquefolia/, though maybe
I should be thinking of "Boston Ivy", /Parthenocissus
tricuspidata/, native to the Far East (thanks to Wikipedia for
information).
And back to words: according to the botanical writer Francis
Elmore, the reason virgins are mentioned in the name of this
genus is unknown.
(I've wondered whether the Zemblan "garl" is a taunt for etymologists,
since "girl" has no cognates and the etymologists would love to
have one. Now I'm realizing that "Parthenocissus" has a maiden
with a different mystery. Any significance to this? Not that I
can see.)
Jerry Friedman
--- "Fet, Victor" <fet@MARSHALL.EDU> wrote:
> Partenocissus is a Latin name for creepers -- ivies of grape family
> (Vitaceae), of Asian and North American origin.
>
> In Russian it is called "devichii vinograd" (maiden's grape), which is
> of course a connection both to maidens (or virginity) and Gradus!
>
> It has been introduced in Russia as decorative ivy since 17th century,
> and some species are very cold-tolerant.
>
> And, to be sure, "Parthenocissus species are used as food plants by the
> larvae <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larva> of some Lepidoptera
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lepidoptera> species including Brown-tail
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown-tail> and The Gothic
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_%28moth%29> ." (Wikipedia)
>
>
> Victor Fet
>
>
>
>
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> "jansymello" <dorazander@terra.com.br> <mailto:dorazander@terra.com.br>
> Date:
> Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:40:38 -0300
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> Dear Andrew,
>
> I couldn't agree with you more - although I had not realized that the
> ' "Oh sure," with which Shade accompanies his remark about having words
> perform like trained fleas was meant to be deflating' .
>
> Indeed, no writer has "ability to rule absolutely over language" ,
> inspite of all his training with rethorical devices and rhyme. Perhaps I
> was only voicing the feeling that Nabokov has the ability to turn ME
> into a circus flea when I consider his stelar words.
>
> Take "Parthenocissus", for example, the name of the Main Hall at
> Wordsmith, later named after Shade ( or so Kinbote tells us). A first
> reading sugested something related to virgin birth and Narcissus. Then I
> decided to check if "cissus" had any relation to what in Latin is
> "cindere" ( or something similiar to this), that means " to split",
> "bissect". It would be just wonderful if right at the begining of
> Kinbote's comments he were to mention two or even a tripartite
> character. Then I found out that "cissus" comes from the Greek "kissos"
> and means... ivy!
>
> Now I can imagine that Shade Hall has ivy-covered walls surrounding
> "virginal scholars". But the ivy is also used to represent a reference
> to a kind of "spiral" ( like the helicoid steps we find leading to the
> library turret ) and gets novel exciting meanings in maths that I'm
> unable to follow.
>
> How about that for a performing flea, though?
> Jansy
>
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as Virginia Creeper, /Parthenocissus quinquefolia/, though maybe
I should be thinking of "Boston Ivy", /Parthenocissus
tricuspidata/, native to the Far East (thanks to Wikipedia for
information).
And back to words: according to the botanical writer Francis
Elmore, the reason virgins are mentioned in the name of this
genus is unknown.
(I've wondered whether the Zemblan "garl" is a taunt for etymologists,
since "girl" has no cognates and the etymologists would love to
have one. Now I'm realizing that "Parthenocissus" has a maiden
with a different mystery. Any significance to this? Not that I
can see.)
Jerry Friedman
--- "Fet, Victor" <fet@MARSHALL.EDU> wrote:
> Partenocissus is a Latin name for creepers -- ivies of grape family
> (Vitaceae), of Asian and North American origin.
>
> In Russian it is called "devichii vinograd" (maiden's grape), which is
> of course a connection both to maidens (or virginity) and Gradus!
>
> It has been introduced in Russia as decorative ivy since 17th century,
> and some species are very cold-tolerant.
>
> And, to be sure, "Parthenocissus species are used as food plants by the
> larvae <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larva> of some Lepidoptera
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lepidoptera> species including Brown-tail
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown-tail> and The Gothic
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_%28moth%29> ." (Wikipedia)
>
>
> Victor Fet
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Vladimir Nabokov Forum [mailto:NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Nabokv-L
> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 1:39 PM
> To: NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU
> Subject: [NABOKV-L] pruning dates
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> Subject:
> Re: [NABOKV-L] pruning dates
> From:
> "jansymello" <dorazander@terra.com.br> <mailto:dorazander@terra.com.br>
> Date:
> Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:40:38 -0300
> To:
> "Vladimir Nabokov Forum" <NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU>
> <mailto:NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU>
>
> Dear Andrew,
>
> I couldn't agree with you more - although I had not realized that the
> ' "Oh sure," with which Shade accompanies his remark about having words
> perform like trained fleas was meant to be deflating' .
>
> Indeed, no writer has "ability to rule absolutely over language" ,
> inspite of all his training with rethorical devices and rhyme. Perhaps I
> was only voicing the feeling that Nabokov has the ability to turn ME
> into a circus flea when I consider his stelar words.
>
> Take "Parthenocissus", for example, the name of the Main Hall at
> Wordsmith, later named after Shade ( or so Kinbote tells us). A first
> reading sugested something related to virgin birth and Narcissus. Then I
> decided to check if "cissus" had any relation to what in Latin is
> "cindere" ( or something similiar to this), that means " to split",
> "bissect". It would be just wonderful if right at the begining of
> Kinbote's comments he were to mention two or even a tripartite
> character. Then I found out that "cissus" comes from the Greek "kissos"
> and means... ivy!
>
> Now I can imagine that Shade Hall has ivy-covered walls surrounding
> "virginal scholars". But the ivy is also used to represent a reference
> to a kind of "spiral" ( like the helicoid steps we find leading to the
> library turret ) and gets novel exciting meanings in maths that I'm
> unable to follow.
>
> How about that for a performing flea, though?
> Jansy
>
>
> Search the Nabokv-L archive at UCSB
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