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From: "Michael Donohue" <michaeldonohue@hotmail.com>
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> Do any of you remember the similar "uproar" in the London and Australian
> papers in 1996 or 7, when Graham Swift's *Last Orders* was suddenly
> "exposed" as a "plagiarized" version of *As I Lay Dying*? That nonsense
blew
> over pretty quickly. So will this.
>
>
>
>
> >From: "D. Barton Johnson" <chtodel@cox.net>
> >Reply-To: Vladimir Nabokov Forum <NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU>
> >To: NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU
> >Subject: Fw: Fw: Shakespeare plagiarist!
> >Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:51:20 -0800
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Rimel, Abbey J." <RimelA@missouri.edu>
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> > > My goodness, surrounded by bald faced plagiarists, aren't we?
> There
> > > have been some calls on the list to ignore the (Danish?) news
> story
> > > about Lolita having been plagiarised on the grounds that these
> claims
> > > are obviously made by a person who does not understand the true
> nature
> > > of plagiarism. While I agree, we might be treating ignorance
with
> undue
> > > attention, I also believe this is an opportunity to discuss the
> cyclic
> > > nature of ideas and plotlines throughout the ages.
> > >
> > > From oral tradition to the novel, the human collective
> consciousness
> > > abounds with a repertoire of compelling stories that take form
> from time
> > > to time in a variety of media. I don't imagine that the basic
> story of
> > > Lolita ever derived from something so ancient as an oral
> tradition--but
> > > I could be wrong. Most of us understand that it isn't
necessarily
> the
> > > story's originality--the absolute unique quality of the
> plotline--that
> > > matters, but how it is told. No one creates in a vacuum, not
> > > Shakespeare, not Nabokov. We've got some intellectual problems
to
> deal
> > > with in popular culture, true, but I think we need to find a way
> to turn
> > > our indignance into something constructive or at the very least,
> > > entertain ourselves.
> > >
> > > Abbey
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Vladimir Nabokov Forum [mailto:NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU]
> On
> > > Behalf Of D. Barton Johnson
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 12:33 PM
> > > To: NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU
> > > Subject: Fw: Shakespeare plagiarist!
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jeff Edmunds" <jhe2@psulias.psu.edu>
> > > > From Jeff Edmunds <jhe2@psulias.psu.edu>:
> > > >
> > > > In an absolutely stunning story certain to dwarf the
> controversy
> > > > stirred
> > > by
> > > > the revelation that Nabokov plagiarized Lolita, it was
> revealed this
> > > > week by an Icelandic scholar that Shakespeare, widely
revered
> as the
> > > > greatest playwright, and one of the greatest stylists, in
the
> English
> > > > language of all time, plagiarized Hamlet, his most famous
> play.
> > > >
> > > > Apparently the story of Hamlet can be shown to pre-exist
> Shakespeare's
> > >
> > > > shameless plagiarism by many years. Penned by an unknown
> Danish
> > > > writer,
> > > the
> > > > tale is known as "The saga of Feng and Amleth."
The
> story of Amleth is
> > >
> > > > nearly identical to Shakespeare's play: Feng murders his
> brother out
> > > > of jealousy and marries Gerutha, Amleth's mother. Amleth
> pretends to
> > > > be witless to save himself. His sanity is tested by the
> suspicious
> > > > Feng. Amleth is sent to England, guarded by two of Feng's
> retainers,
> > > > who carry a death letter. Amleth alters the letter to order
> the deaths
> > >
> > > > of the
> > > retainers
> > > > and his own marriage to the King's daughter. He returns to
> Jutland
> > > > where, after a celebratory feast, he burns the Great Hall
> full of
> > > > drunken nobles and kills his uncle, thereby avenging his
> murdered
> > > > father.
> > > >
> > > > Just how this amazing revelation will damage Shakespeare's
> inflated
> > > > reputation remains to be seen.
> > > >
> > > > Needless to say, the word of Shakespearean studies is still
> reeling.
> > > >
>
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From: "Michael Donohue" <michaeldonohue@hotmail.com>
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>
> ---------------- Message requiring your approval (126
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>
> Do any of you remember the similar "uproar" in the London and Australian
> papers in 1996 or 7, when Graham Swift's *Last Orders* was suddenly
> "exposed" as a "plagiarized" version of *As I Lay Dying*? That nonsense
blew
> over pretty quickly. So will this.
>
>
>
>
> >From: "D. Barton Johnson" <chtodel@cox.net>
> >Reply-To: Vladimir Nabokov Forum <NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU>
> >To: NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU
> >Subject: Fw: Fw: Shakespeare plagiarist!
> >Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:51:20 -0800
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Rimel, Abbey J." <RimelA@missouri.edu>
> > >
> > > ----------------- Message requiring your approval (67
> >lines) ------------------
> > > My goodness, surrounded by bald faced plagiarists, aren't we?
> There
> > > have been some calls on the list to ignore the (Danish?) news
> story
> > > about Lolita having been plagiarised on the grounds that these
> claims
> > > are obviously made by a person who does not understand the true
> nature
> > > of plagiarism. While I agree, we might be treating ignorance
with
> undue
> > > attention, I also believe this is an opportunity to discuss the
> cyclic
> > > nature of ideas and plotlines throughout the ages.
> > >
> > > From oral tradition to the novel, the human collective
> consciousness
> > > abounds with a repertoire of compelling stories that take form
> from time
> > > to time in a variety of media. I don't imagine that the basic
> story of
> > > Lolita ever derived from something so ancient as an oral
> tradition--but
> > > I could be wrong. Most of us understand that it isn't
necessarily
> the
> > > story's originality--the absolute unique quality of the
> plotline--that
> > > matters, but how it is told. No one creates in a vacuum, not
> > > Shakespeare, not Nabokov. We've got some intellectual problems
to
> deal
> > > with in popular culture, true, but I think we need to find a way
> to turn
> > > our indignance into something constructive or at the very least,
> > > entertain ourselves.
> > >
> > > Abbey
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Vladimir Nabokov Forum [mailto:NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU]
> On
> > > Behalf Of D. Barton Johnson
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 12:33 PM
> > > To: NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU
> > > Subject: Fw: Shakespeare plagiarist!
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jeff Edmunds" <jhe2@psulias.psu.edu>
> > > > From Jeff Edmunds <jhe2@psulias.psu.edu>:
> > > >
> > > > In an absolutely stunning story certain to dwarf the
> controversy
> > > > stirred
> > > by
> > > > the revelation that Nabokov plagiarized Lolita, it was
> revealed this
> > > > week by an Icelandic scholar that Shakespeare, widely
revered
> as the
> > > > greatest playwright, and one of the greatest stylists, in
the
> English
> > > > language of all time, plagiarized Hamlet, his most famous
> play.
> > > >
> > > > Apparently the story of Hamlet can be shown to pre-exist
> Shakespeare's
> > >
> > > > shameless plagiarism by many years. Penned by an unknown
> Danish
> > > > writer,
> > > the
> > > > tale is known as "The saga of Feng and Amleth."
The
> story of Amleth is
> > >
> > > > nearly identical to Shakespeare's play: Feng murders his
> brother out
> > > > of jealousy and marries Gerutha, Amleth's mother. Amleth
> pretends to
> > > > be witless to save himself. His sanity is tested by the
> suspicious
> > > > Feng. Amleth is sent to England, guarded by two of Feng's
> retainers,
> > > > who carry a death letter. Amleth alters the letter to order
> the deaths
> > >
> > > > of the
> > > retainers
> > > > and his own marriage to the King's daughter. He returns to
> Jutland
> > > > where, after a celebratory feast, he burns the Great Hall
> full of
> > > > drunken nobles and kills his uncle, thereby avenging his
> murdered
> > > > father.
> > > >
> > > > Just how this amazing revelation will damage Shakespeare's
> inflated
> > > > reputation remains to be seen.
> > > >
> > > > Needless to say, the word of Shakespearean studies is still
> reeling.
> > > >
>
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