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----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Nicol" <ejnicol@isugw.indstate.edu>
> ---------------- Message requiring your approval (110
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> I first replied to the original inquiry off-line, but maybe I'd better
> put in my five cents' worth. Based strictly on my encountering the word
> in junior high school, which I attended only a few years after Dolores,
> it is indeed a verb, as Nabokov says, not a noun as our current
> informant labels it. It is childhood slang for an act of sodomy. I
> suspect the etymology is rather simple, originally deriving from
> "carnal."
>
> Chaz
>
> >>> chtodel@cox.net 4/19/2004 4:21:17 PM >>>
> EDNOTE: See below.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jamie L. Olson" <olsonjl@umich.edu>
> > "... Miss Horn, Miss Cole..."
> >
> > I can't find this is any of my dictionaries--mine are all too
> > respectable!--but I know that in American slang 'cornhole' is a
> synonym
> for
> > 'asshole' (anus), and is just as vulgar too. My sense is that no
> one
> would
> > ever refer to another person as a 'cornhole', as people often do
> with
> > 'asshole', though I may be mistaken. 'Cornhole' is instead meant to
> refer
> > only to that specific anatomical part, and only in vulgar
> conversation. I
> > leave the reasoning behind the word's etymological formation up to
> your
> > imaginations.
> >
> > Actually, though, I am surprised that VN would have made this pun,
> because
> I
> > would have guessed the coinage to be more recent. Does anyone have
> any
> more
> > information on this word?
> >
> > I don't know whether this posting is "too disgusting," as Brian
> Howell
> > suspects it could have been, though I apologize if it is. On the
> other
> > hand, if VN made the pun himself, then it should be something that we
> are
> > capable of discussing in a mature, scholarly fashion on this list.
> >
> > Jamie Olson
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "D. Barton Johnson" <chtodel@cox.net>
> > To: <NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU>
> > Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 12:59 PM
> > Subject: Fw: Appel/Lolita query about anagram/acrostic
> >
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Brian Howell" <fanshaw@123mail.org>
> > >
> > > > Maybe my brain is just tired, but Appel says in his Annotations
> on p.
> > 402
> > > > (Vintage, US, 1991) to p. 195, note 2 (for Part II, Chap. 11)
> 'the
> first
> > > > letters of the teachers' names have been transposed. "Corrected",
> the
> > > > names combine to form an obscene verb'. I think the names he is
> > referring
> > > > to are Miss Horn, Miss Cole, and Miss Molar, but I don't know if
> you
> are
> > > > supposed to include Miss Redcock (!)and Miss Cormorant, let
> alone
> Pratt
> > > > in this sequence, or even the only the first letter or first
> letters
> of
> > > > each name. Anyway, if anyone can figure this out, please let me
> know -
> > > > and if it's too disgusting just write to me off-list.
> > > >
> > > > Brian Howell
> -----------------------------------------------
> EDNOTE. The verb "to cornhole" has been around along time. It was
> common
> (in some circles) in my Indiana boyhood nearly 60 years ago. The usage
> is
> certainly American and probably rural since our "corn" is elsewhere
> called
> "maize." Corncobs were favored for wiping purposes in outhouses prior
> to the
> advent of Sears and Roebuck catalogues -- or copies of Pravda in the
> USSR.
> I recall hearing a quasi-Russian usage addressed to a dormitory
> full of
> Russian-language students circa-1960: "Nel'zya kornholovat'," i.e. It
> is
> forbidden to C***. Apparently the English term in still current since
> it is
> on AOL 's list of banned vocabulary.
> As an idle thought, it occurs to me that I don't recall ever
> having
> heard the term in reference to women.
> In short, I suspect VN's word play is in full knowledge of the
> term.
> Rember you heard it all first on NABOKV-L.
From: "Charles Nicol" <ejnicol@isugw.indstate.edu>
> ---------------- Message requiring your approval (110
lines) ------------------
> I first replied to the original inquiry off-line, but maybe I'd better
> put in my five cents' worth. Based strictly on my encountering the word
> in junior high school, which I attended only a few years after Dolores,
> it is indeed a verb, as Nabokov says, not a noun as our current
> informant labels it. It is childhood slang for an act of sodomy. I
> suspect the etymology is rather simple, originally deriving from
> "carnal."
>
> Chaz
>
> >>> chtodel@cox.net 4/19/2004 4:21:17 PM >>>
> EDNOTE: See below.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jamie L. Olson" <olsonjl@umich.edu>
> > "... Miss Horn, Miss Cole..."
> >
> > I can't find this is any of my dictionaries--mine are all too
> > respectable!--but I know that in American slang 'cornhole' is a
> synonym
> for
> > 'asshole' (anus), and is just as vulgar too. My sense is that no
> one
> would
> > ever refer to another person as a 'cornhole', as people often do
> with
> > 'asshole', though I may be mistaken. 'Cornhole' is instead meant to
> refer
> > only to that specific anatomical part, and only in vulgar
> conversation. I
> > leave the reasoning behind the word's etymological formation up to
> your
> > imaginations.
> >
> > Actually, though, I am surprised that VN would have made this pun,
> because
> I
> > would have guessed the coinage to be more recent. Does anyone have
> any
> more
> > information on this word?
> >
> > I don't know whether this posting is "too disgusting," as Brian
> Howell
> > suspects it could have been, though I apologize if it is. On the
> other
> > hand, if VN made the pun himself, then it should be something that we
> are
> > capable of discussing in a mature, scholarly fashion on this list.
> >
> > Jamie Olson
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "D. Barton Johnson" <chtodel@cox.net>
> > To: <NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU>
> > Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 12:59 PM
> > Subject: Fw: Appel/Lolita query about anagram/acrostic
> >
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Brian Howell" <fanshaw@123mail.org>
> > >
> > > > Maybe my brain is just tired, but Appel says in his Annotations
> on p.
> > 402
> > > > (Vintage, US, 1991) to p. 195, note 2 (for Part II, Chap. 11)
> 'the
> first
> > > > letters of the teachers' names have been transposed. "Corrected",
> the
> > > > names combine to form an obscene verb'. I think the names he is
> > referring
> > > > to are Miss Horn, Miss Cole, and Miss Molar, but I don't know if
> you
> are
> > > > supposed to include Miss Redcock (!)and Miss Cormorant, let
> alone
> Pratt
> > > > in this sequence, or even the only the first letter or first
> letters
> of
> > > > each name. Anyway, if anyone can figure this out, please let me
> know -
> > > > and if it's too disgusting just write to me off-list.
> > > >
> > > > Brian Howell
> -----------------------------------------------
> EDNOTE. The verb "to cornhole" has been around along time. It was
> common
> (in some circles) in my Indiana boyhood nearly 60 years ago. The usage
> is
> certainly American and probably rural since our "corn" is elsewhere
> called
> "maize." Corncobs were favored for wiping purposes in outhouses prior
> to the
> advent of Sears and Roebuck catalogues -- or copies of Pravda in the
> USSR.
> I recall hearing a quasi-Russian usage addressed to a dormitory
> full of
> Russian-language students circa-1960: "Nel'zya kornholovat'," i.e. It
> is
> forbidden to C***. Apparently the English term in still current since
> it is
> on AOL 's list of banned vocabulary.
> As an idle thought, it occurs to me that I don't recall ever
> having
> heard the term in reference to women.
> In short, I suspect VN's word play is in full knowledge of the
> term.
> Rember you heard it all first on NABOKV-L.