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> pynchon-l-digest Monday, October 6 2003 Volume 02 : Number
3589
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> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:52:48 -0400
> From: "Jasper Fidget" <fakename@verizon.net>
> Subject: NP - MIT OpenCourseware
>
> Free Learnin!
>
> http://ocw.mit.edu/index.html
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> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 20:14:48 EDT
> From: Prsamsa@aol.com
> Subject: Some general comments on PF.
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> At the risk of too much sound and fury,
> I'd like to say: PF is an explosion of the novel form. Pynchon
> would tire of the conventional narrative novel before he'd
> written his first one, and maybe VN helped? Could we guess
> that Nabokov had seen what some students had done on papers to
> butcher the principles of "New Criticism", as put forth by the leading
> poetry scholars of the time--Ransom, Brooks, Jarrell, Robert Penn
> Warren, and the Vanderbilt crowd of the "Fugitive" mag, etc.--
> and decided, I'll have an insane person, beset by demons and
> pretty much clinical paranoia, decipher a pretty straight-forward poem.
>
> Of course it pricks academia itself (as TP does in his fictional scholarly
> articles in fictional journals) and that may be something to get on later.
>
> Nabokov had published poetry before leaving Russia, and wrote in Russian
> for decades before learning English and mastering the novel form
> in that language. More than in his prose, there's still a touch
> of the dictionary about his poetry; no free-verser he, why not write
fiction
> if you won't observe most of the traditions of verse? --again that seems
> outside the purpose of this short post.
>
> Just a note too, that "Speak Memory", is a good resource on VN's life
> and he is much less astringent on the current Soviet government than
> one might expect, but WAS uprooted (1919) and thrust into survival-mode
much
> as
> a certain character in PF was-- so he would stretch and exaggerate and
> bend tales he probably heard from expatriate Russians in Paris and New
York,
> and that could account for the genesis of the fictional king of Zembla.
>
> Which ReZembles the USSR not in the least, but does resemble the
> overripe monarchies that WWII finally toppled, (Bulgaria,
> Albania?), (could it be that similar countries attract and yet use
opposite
> letters,
> so--
> A for Z?) -- and that TP parodies a fictional country/monarch
> with the Giant Adenoid dreams that PPrentice is compelled to have for
> the govt-in-exile in London.
>
> Have there been any posts on what happened to kings of Bulgaria,
> Albania, etc? In Greece during the late 1940's, there was lots of
> back and forth between several parties, the Resistance had been
> mainly socialist, so once the 1950's swung into McCarthyite
> fury, I believe the US did an about-face and left the commies holding
> lots of metal hard-ons with no vaseline, so to speak....supplying
> the other side, it was soon, bend over for our former buddies
> who'd fought the Nazi's--Greece, love it or leave it, huh?
>
> from the hip, some, correct me if I'm far off. But write me just because,
> or comment, too--
>
> best at gongonzo@msn.com
> because I have 480 pieces of mail in my mailbox right now and no way
> of distinguishing p-posts from personal without eyestrain, and you
> guygurls'es
> must be superhuman at reading posts if you get through them all.
>
> Perry Sams,
> "Samsa."
>
> To unsubscribe, send a message to waste@waste.org
> with "unsubscribe pynchon-l-digest" in the message body.
From: "pynchon-l-digest" <owner-pynchon-l-digest@waste.org>
To: <pynchon-l-digest@waste.org>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 9:48 PM
Subject: pynchon-l-digest V2 #3589
>
> pynchon-l-digest Monday, October 6 2003 Volume 02 : Number
3589
>
>
> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:52:48 -0400
> From: "Jasper Fidget" <fakename@verizon.net>
> Subject: NP - MIT OpenCourseware
>
> Free Learnin!
>
> http://ocw.mit.edu/index.html
>
>
>
> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 20:14:48 EDT
> From: Prsamsa@aol.com
> Subject: Some general comments on PF.
>
> - --part1_11.19ea8139.2cb35f78_boundary
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
>
>
> At the risk of too much sound and fury,
> I'd like to say: PF is an explosion of the novel form. Pynchon
> would tire of the conventional narrative novel before he'd
> written his first one, and maybe VN helped? Could we guess
> that Nabokov had seen what some students had done on papers to
> butcher the principles of "New Criticism", as put forth by the leading
> poetry scholars of the time--Ransom, Brooks, Jarrell, Robert Penn
> Warren, and the Vanderbilt crowd of the "Fugitive" mag, etc.--
> and decided, I'll have an insane person, beset by demons and
> pretty much clinical paranoia, decipher a pretty straight-forward poem.
>
> Of course it pricks academia itself (as TP does in his fictional scholarly
> articles in fictional journals) and that may be something to get on later.
>
> Nabokov had published poetry before leaving Russia, and wrote in Russian
> for decades before learning English and mastering the novel form
> in that language. More than in his prose, there's still a touch
> of the dictionary about his poetry; no free-verser he, why not write
fiction
> if you won't observe most of the traditions of verse? --again that seems
> outside the purpose of this short post.
>
> Just a note too, that "Speak Memory", is a good resource on VN's life
> and he is much less astringent on the current Soviet government than
> one might expect, but WAS uprooted (1919) and thrust into survival-mode
much
> as
> a certain character in PF was-- so he would stretch and exaggerate and
> bend tales he probably heard from expatriate Russians in Paris and New
York,
> and that could account for the genesis of the fictional king of Zembla.
>
> Which ReZembles the USSR not in the least, but does resemble the
> overripe monarchies that WWII finally toppled, (Bulgaria,
> Albania?), (could it be that similar countries attract and yet use
opposite
> letters,
> so--
> A for Z?) -- and that TP parodies a fictional country/monarch
> with the Giant Adenoid dreams that PPrentice is compelled to have for
> the govt-in-exile in London.
>
> Have there been any posts on what happened to kings of Bulgaria,
> Albania, etc? In Greece during the late 1940's, there was lots of
> back and forth between several parties, the Resistance had been
> mainly socialist, so once the 1950's swung into McCarthyite
> fury, I believe the US did an about-face and left the commies holding
> lots of metal hard-ons with no vaseline, so to speak....supplying
> the other side, it was soon, bend over for our former buddies
> who'd fought the Nazi's--Greece, love it or leave it, huh?
>
> from the hip, some, correct me if I'm far off. But write me just because,
> or comment, too--
>
> best at gongonzo@msn.com
> because I have 480 pieces of mail in my mailbox right now and no way
> of distinguishing p-posts from personal without eyestrain, and you
> guygurls'es
> must be superhuman at reading posts if you get through them all.
>
> Perry Sams,
> "Samsa."
>
> To unsubscribe, send a message to waste@waste.org
> with "unsubscribe pynchon-l-digest" in the message body.