NABOKV-L post 0025693, Sat, 13 Sep 2014 18:36:17 -0300

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I love RLSK, too, although it’s not one of my favorites.

Thanks for correcting me about V. who, after all, is responsible for the
overall climate and pace of statements like the one that was quoted. I
wonder if the loving, efficient and passionate Clare Bishop could, somehow,
be related to Véra? The real femme fatale’s identity is known, of course.




De: Vladimir Nabokov Forum [mailto:NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU] Em nome de
frances assa
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Hello Jansy,
The statement is made by Sebastian's half brother when he rejects one of
the possible suspects for the femme fatale who ruined his brother's life. I
love that book. One of my favorites. thank you for your comments. Fran


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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 19:49:37 -0300
From: <mailto:jansy.mello@OUTLOOK.COM> jansy.mello@OUTLOOK.COM
Subject: [NABOKV-L] RES: [NABOKV-L] Nabokov and L. Trilling
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Hello, Frances



I’ve been following your arguments with more interest than the one I felt
while watching the Trilling-Nabokov encounter, as also the replies that were
elicited by you.

The sentence from RLSK, taken out of the context of a novel, which you chose
as an example of “healthy versus passion-love”, struck me as being a
representative of something else, though: it’s a statement that departs from
the male point of view exclusively – quite fitting for Sebastian, perhaps
for Nabokov, too.



De: Vladimir Nabokov Forum [mailto:NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU] Em nome de
frances assa
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I see where Anthony Stadlen is coming from. Interesting how two people can
read the same text in such different ways. In the paragraph I quoted, I did
not view Trilling as using the terms health and pathology in Freudian terms
at all. He certainly didn't say he was relying on Freud, and it seemed to
me, in deference to Nabokov's intent, that he was staying away from Freudian
interpretation (as much as Trilling could.) I read the paragraph in the
more ordinary usage of the word "health"--as a metaphor, not as a medical
pronouncement: the kind of meaning Brian Boyd used to describe a good kind
of love, versus passion-love. As Nabokov put it in Sebastian Knight, “Girls
of her type do not smash a man’s life—they build it.”


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