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This Kurt Johnson, one of the co-authors of the Pierce paper. I wouldn't make that judgment you make below without reading the paper. In fact, in the evolution of the paper itself we took great care to make sure we were framing a hypothesis that could be authenticated as "Nabokov's own hypothesis" (from his rather florid style) and bounced the alternatives about that off several Nabokov scholars. Nabokov spoke about a sequence of invasion events, and in a precise order re: the taxa involved. That couldn't have really been tested by a cladistic tree created by anatomical data (which would have been quite "inferred" in itself) but, with DNA sequencing, there is a tree genesis of a much "higher level" of certainty/veracity. The question was simply whether the DNA sequence fit the scenario Nabokov wrote about. When it did, other aspects of fine-tuning that, re: climatology, paleoecology etc. could also be factored in an informative way.
So, maybe not so blue?
Kurt Johnson
--- On Wed, 1/26/11, Nabokv-L <nabokv-l@UTK.EDU> wrote:
From: Nabokv-L <nabokv-l@UTK.EDU>
Subject: [NABOKV-L] [Fwd: FW: [Taxacom] I got them Nabokov Blues]
To: NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU
Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 2:19 PM
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FW: [Taxacom] I got them Nabokov Blues
Date:
Wed, 26 Jan 2011 19:15:25 +0000
From:
Fet, Victor <fet@marshall.edu>
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NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU <NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU>
>From the taxonomists' forum...
Victor
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Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 2:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [Taxacom] I got them Nabokov Blues
Based just on Zimmer's article, Pierce et al. didn't perform any valid
test of Nabokov's hypothesis. Rather, Pierce et al. inferred a
hypothesis explaining a set of sequence data, whereas Nabokov's
hypothesis explains certain anatomical data. All we're presented with
are two separate explanations (Nabokov's and Pierce et al., assuming
Pierce et al. made no attempt to integrate all relevant data), not a
test of any one hypothesis.
Kirk
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Curator of Polychaetes
Invertebrate Zoology Section
Research& Collections Branch
Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County
900 Exposition Blvd
Los Angeles CA 90007
Phone: 213-763-3233
FAX: 213-746-2999
e-mail: kfitzhug@nhm.org
http://www.nhm.org/site/research-collections/polychaetous-annelids
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On 1/25/2011 8:21 PM, Barry Roth wrote:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/01/science/01butterfly.html?_r=2&hp&pagewanted=all
>
> Swing away, ladies and gents, at the approaches and assumptions underlying the original hypothesis and the interview comments by those who tested it. I merely muse on the assist that having a taxonomist who is highly celebrated for his accomplishments in another field probably gave to the type size of the headline here.
>
> Barry Roth
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This Kurt Johnson, one of the co-authors of the Pierce paper. I wouldn't make that judgment you make below without reading the paper. In fact, in the evolution of the paper itself we took great care to make sure we were framing a hypothesis that could be authenticated as "Nabokov's own hypothesis" (from his rather florid style) and bounced the alternatives about that off several Nabokov scholars. Nabokov spoke about a sequence of invasion events, and in a precise order re: the taxa involved. That couldn't have really been tested by a cladistic tree created by anatomical data (which would have been quite "inferred" in itself) but, with DNA sequencing, there is a tree genesis of a much "higher level" of certainty/veracity. The question was simply whether the DNA sequence fit the scenario Nabokov wrote about. When it did, other aspects of fine-tuning that, re: climatology, paleoecology etc. could also be factored in an informative way.
So, maybe not so blue?
Kurt Johnson
--- On Wed, 1/26/11, Nabokv-L <nabokv-l@UTK.EDU> wrote:
From: Nabokv-L <nabokv-l@UTK.EDU>
Subject: [NABOKV-L] [Fwd: FW: [Taxacom] I got them Nabokov Blues]
To: NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU
Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 2:19 PM
-------- Original Message --------
Subject:
FW: [Taxacom] I got them Nabokov Blues
Date:
Wed, 26 Jan 2011 19:15:25 +0000
From:
Fet, Victor <fet@marshall.edu>
To:
NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU <NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU>
>From the taxonomists' forum...
Victor
-----Original Message-----
From: taxacom-bounces@mailman.nhm.ku.edu [mailto:taxacom-bounces@mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of J. Kirk Fitzhugh
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 2:00 PM
To: taxacom@mailman.nhm.ku.edu
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] I got them Nabokov Blues
Based just on Zimmer's article, Pierce et al. didn't perform any valid
test of Nabokov's hypothesis. Rather, Pierce et al. inferred a
hypothesis explaining a set of sequence data, whereas Nabokov's
hypothesis explains certain anatomical data. All we're presented with
are two separate explanations (Nabokov's and Pierce et al., assuming
Pierce et al. made no attempt to integrate all relevant data), not a
test of any one hypothesis.
Kirk
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
J. Kirk Fitzhugh, Ph.D.
Curator of Polychaetes
Invertebrate Zoology Section
Research& Collections Branch
Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County
900 Exposition Blvd
Los Angeles CA 90007
Phone: 213-763-3233
FAX: 213-746-2999
e-mail: kfitzhug@nhm.org
http://www.nhm.org/site/research-collections/polychaetous-annelids
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On 1/25/2011 8:21 PM, Barry Roth wrote:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/01/science/01butterfly.html?_r=2&hp&pagewanted=all
>
> Swing away, ladies and gents, at the approaches and assumptions underlying the original hypothesis and the interview comments by those who tested it. I merely muse on the assist that having a taxonomist who is highly celebrated for his accomplishments in another field probably gave to the type size of the headline here.
>
> Barry Roth
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> The Taxacom archive going back to 1992 may be searched with either of these methods:
>
> (1) http://taxacom.markmail.org
>
> Or (2) a Google search specified as: site:mailman.nhm.ku.edu/pipermail/taxacom your search terms here
>
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